Should the military fight crime and dispense justice?

Updated Jan 09, 2017 10:54pm

In the middle of April 2015, the head of the Sindh Rangers whizzed through those areas in Karachi which have been under the spotlight for all the wrong reasons — Azizabad, Kati Pahari, Lyari. It was yet another manifestation of an already known phenomenon: maintaining the city’s law and order is no longer in civilian hands. Some may argue it never has been for more than two decades.

The way the paramilitary rangers, however, go about raiding the offices of political parties without search warrants, detaining alleged criminals without following due process and, sometimes, killing them in alleged encounters is worrying to say the least. It shows that either the rangers are not trained for maintaining law and order, or they consider things such as due process and legal procedures as hindrances to their operations — or perhaps both. In any case, many opinion-makers project such harsh, and quite often illegal, measures as the only solution to the grave law and order problems Karachi has been facing since long. A similar kind of inevitability also marks the debate on the recently set up military courts.

Why do some parts of intelligentsia and the media believe that paramilitary and military organisations are better at maintaining law and order and imparting justice? If the rangers do not know – or follow – the procedural and legal aspects of civilian policing, and if army officers serving in military courts are not grounded in the nuances of legal processes, their operations are highly likely to involve wrong application of authority, sometimes resulting in grievous, and irredeemable, injury to individuals and even communities. What, if any, are the checks and balances against the possibility of such misuse of authority?

The Herald's forum – Trial and Terror: Should the military fight crime and dispense justice? – took up these questions at the Karachi Press Club on April 29, 2015. Moderated by broadcaster and columnist Wusat Ullah Khan, the forum included detailed deliberations by panellists Zohra Yusuf, the chairperson of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, Jameel Yusuf, the founder and former chief of the Citizens-Police Liaison Committee, and Salahuddin Ahmed, a senior member of the Karachi Bar Association and a legal expert with a keen interest in human rights. Here are the excerpts.

Wusat Ullah Khan. It is important for the maintenance of law and order that discrepancies and weaknesses in institutions such as police and civilian justice system are addressed. Or is it easier to deal with the problem by telling these institutions to sit on the side and outsource their functions to the military and paramilitary forces such as the rangers and the Frontier Constabulary (FC)? Some latest constitutional changes have given military officials the judicial powers of issuing judgements and awarding punishments. If this is the correct approach, then what do we need civilian courts and police for? What is the point of spending a lot of money on them? If, however, there are question marks over the way the military institutions operate when deployed on civilian assignments, then why do we keep reverting to them as the ultimate solution for all our law and order problems?

Paramilitary forces raided the headquarters of Muttahida Quami Movement in April 2015 | Reuters
Paramilitary forces raided the headquarters of Muttahida Quami Movement in April 2015 | Reuters

If we take Karachi as an example, we have military and paramilitary forces maintaining law and order in the city since 1989. Do we see any improvement in the situation? The same is the case with military courts which have been used before — and not just once. Are we deluding ourselves into believing that this time round they will correct the system? The irony is that military courts are not coming about due to a military takeover of power, but have been approved and set up by an elected parliament and a civilian government.

This, though, is not the first time that a civilian government is deploying military courts. It was under a civilian government in 1953 that the first military courts were set up in Pakistan in the wake of anti-Ahmedi violence. The most famous punishments meted out by those military courts were death sentences to two religious leaders — Abdus Sattar Niazi of Jamiat Ulema-e-Pakistan (JUP) and Abul Aala Maudoodi of Jamaat-e-Islami (JI).

The argument many people make in favour of the military’s involvement in policing and judicial affairs is that these cannot be effectively handled without enforcing the writ of the state through the strongest of measures, even when those measures infringe the citizens’ fundamental human rights. Their point of view goes like this: terrorism is gaining momentum, and in order to curb it, the government requires steps that prioritise restoration of peace over anything else.

I’ll start by asking Salahuddin Ahmed to explain the main questions that arise from the involvement of military and paramilitary forces in maintaining law and order and dispensing justice.

Salahuddin Ahmed. The very imposition of martial laws has been endorsed by civilians, and civilian governments have set up military courts with the same enthusiasm as martial law governments have. The government of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto set up military courts in 1977 to hear cases of those agitating from the platform of the Pakistan National Alliance (PNA). The Sindh High Court, however, ruled the military courts did not enjoy legitimacy as a judicial forum. In spite of that ruling, these courts were back again as soon as Ziaul Haq imposed military rule. When the setting up of these courts was challenged again, the Balochistan High Court struck them down. The court said the doctrine of necessity might have justified the martial law, but nothing should allow a parallel judicial system to come into existence. In light of this verdict, the Zia regime had to concede some ground to the superior judiciary, including the power to hear appeals against military court verdicts. These concessions were part of a negotiated transaction between the courts and military government.

Then in 1998, Nawaz Sharif’s government promulgated the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA). Once military courts were set up under this law, the Supreme Court ruled against them on the basis that the Constitution has no room for an alternate judiciary. Sensing that the case law has always rejected military courts, this time the government has provided additional protection to them by introducing the 21st Amendment in the Constitution. The parliamentary approval of the amendment is aimed at saving the military courts from a judicial knockout.

Whether our Constitution has a fundamental structure is the other issue the amendment gives rise to. All kinds of interesting legal questions stem from this. If there is a fundamental structure to the Constitution, then does it permit military courts? Should superior courts interfere with the unanimous passage of the amendment by Parliament? Should courts limit Parliament’s power to amend the Constitution?

There is also a popular saying, “Let forms of government fools contest, who governs best is best.” That kind of pragmatic approach also exists in the country. As a society, therefore, we shall have to decide if judicial work falls within the ambit of the military’s responsibilities. Or should we follow the constitutional and sociopolitical theories of governance which say it is not the military’s responsibility to perform judicial and policing functions?

Khan. If we look at the judiciary’s decisions right from 1953, the judges have always endorsed not just military courts but also military dictatorships. So, why do you think the judiciary will now behave differently?

Ahmed. Our courts have almost always considered themselves to be subservient to the military. Judicial decisions against military rule surface only after a dictator has left. All the decisions against Pervez Musharraf’s rule are coming out after he is no longer in power. The decision in the Asma Jillani case against Yahya Khan’s military government, too, came after Yahya’s rule had already ended.

Individual judges, however, have tried to introduce measures against the encroachment of civilian turf by the military. For example, in the Nusrat Bhutto case, Zia’s takeover was condoned, but after that the high courts said the military regime could not try civilians in military courts. Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry’s decision on a petition by the Sindh High Court Bar Association against the imposition of emergency rule by Pervez Musharraf in 2007 became possible only because there was public resentment over prolonged military rule. But when the superior judiciary sees the army, civilian institutions and a majority of the media on the same page, then at the end of the day, they are just 17 old men.

Left to right: Wusat Ullah Khan, Salahuddin Ahmed, Jamil Yusuf and Zohra Yusuf | Anis Hamdani, White Star
Left to right: Wusat Ullah Khan, Salahuddin Ahmed, Jamil Yusuf and Zohra Yusuf | Anis Hamdani, White Star

Khan. Why are civilian governments lacking the ability to fulfil the duties assigned to them? Why don’t civilian setups want to take responsibility? Or are there some overt or covert pressures that they cannot withstand?

Jameel Yusuf. I am not sure how many of you know that the first priority of Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was to introduce a police commissioner system in Karachi in 1948. The population of the city at the time was only 300,000. The Quaid was highly concerned that this population would become too much to handle under a police system inherited from the colonial masters. But for 53 years, the bureaucracy hid the assembly resolution passed for the introduction of the new system before I retrieved it in 2000. That is where the problem started. There have been numerous commission reports on how to improve things but few of them were made public and none of them implemented. That is how we have been treating the rule of law since day one.

Now, if you look at the Anti-Terrorism Act, how much it has been misused? It is ridiculous that Nawaz Sharif was tried for hijacking an aeroplane under this act and Pervez Musharraf is being tried for the Lal Masjid raid under it. If the former president of the country can be tried as an alleged terrorist for trying to overcome terrorism, then who is going to take action? When these serious laws are misused, the judiciary keeps quiet. Why can’t they throw these cases out, saying they are not terrorism cases?

The Taliban are like an invading army. They can only be tackled by an army. Civilian police is not trained as a combat force to take on the kind of threat that the Taliban pose. In places such as Sri Lanka, India, Somalia and Ireland, the army was on the front lines to fight against internal threats.

The only good thing that Musharraf did was that he introduced a new police system under the Police Order 2002. It followed a Japanese model in which civil society was going to be a part of managing the police and law enforcement — lawyers, judges, journalists and citizens were to play a part in ensuring accountability and transparency in the working of police.

Police officers stand guard outside a special court formed to try Pervez Musharraf in November 2014 | Reuters
Police officers stand guard outside a special court formed to try Pervez Musharraf in November 2014 | Reuters

Khan. But why was it not implemented?

Jameel Yusuf. Because the military dictator started aspiring to be a democratic dictator. Is there such a thing as a democratic dictator? The politicians around Musharraf convinced him that this could happen.

Khan. We often hear that Ayub Khan was good, but the people surrounding him were bad; that Yahya Khan was mislead by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto; that Rafi Raza corrupted Bhutto and so on. That is what has always gone around.

Jameel Yusuf. I am not saying Musharraf was a good man. All I am saying is that he did one decent thing and, that too, he destroyed with his own hands. Perhaps sometimes it takes a strong man to put things right. In Japan, it was General MacArthur, an American commander, who introduced police reforms.

In 1999, I invited a Colombian delegation to assess the situation in Karachi and suggest remedies. Even though 16 years have passed, every line in the report of that delegation appears still relevant. In 2005, the Herald called Karachi “the city of death”. The number of killings that year was 1,742. Since then, the situation has only worsened. In 2012, there were 2,174 killings and in 2013, there were 2,197.

There is no disputing the fact that the rangers are supposed to be a border force. There is also no disputing that an army or a paramilitary force cannot do urban policing. But what do you do when you have destroyed your local policing? There is something seriously wrong with a nation that praises extrajudicial killings, but look at how the whole of Pakistan celebrates them, because they are seen as the only sign of the rule of law.

Shall I tell you why the paramilitary rangers first moved into Karachi? Because the then civilian government invited them to restore peace on the campuses of Karachi University and NED University. There were daily gunfights at these campuses and there were murders. There was a war going on between the student groups affiliated with the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and JI. They were kidnapping their opponents and torturing them. The rangers were brought in to quell all that violence. Since then, they have been on an assignment that gets an extension every few months.

These are bad times. Foreign investment is not coming into the country and travel advisory for Pakistan is the worst in years, but tell me one thing that has been done to improve policing. Recently, [the Sindh government] changed the head of the provincial police because he allegedly did not endorse the procurement of armoured vehicles which he thought were priced too high. Is there any job protection for a police officer who wants to set things right? Uncertainty among the police and its inaction suit the politicians. Who is going to clean up the mess, resulting in hundreds of murders in Karachi every month? The police cannot, because they don’t have the capacity.

Now if we are talking of the constitutionality of the military courts, we must keep in mind that there have always been military courts within the military. If they can try military men, then why can’t they try civilians? Also, military courts are not going to stay forever. They are being set up for only two years. Their second important feature is that every case is first vetted by the provincial government and then by the federal government before it is finally sent to a military court. So, there is a filtering process [in place].

Khan. Instead of viewing the problem of law and order from a human rights perspective and trying to address it through judicial and constitutional ways, we have become accustomed to seeing it from a security state lens. So, why do we protest when security forces use power to enforce order?

Zohra Yusuf. In 2013, when the previous civilian government completed its term, we all celebrated democracy. We thought we had reached a certain level of maturity in our politics and that there will be no going back to the military rule. That, certainly, was not enough. In the last year or so, we have seen the military mindset gradually creeping in. It seems we are living under a shadow military government. The civilian government and Parliament have really betrayed the trust that the people gave them by electing them. The civilian government did not resist the pressure it was put under. Parliament, too, failed to withstand that pressure. As a result, the military courts have been set up through a parliamentary consensus. The promulgation of the Protection of Pakistan Act and the continuation of the rangers’ operations in Karachi also have the backing of politicians who have failed to withstand pressure from the military.

There is another problem that has persisted with successive governments: they have always looked for short-term solutions. When, for instance, the attack on the Army Public School in Peshawar happened, our immediate knee-jerk response was to remove the moratorium on the death penalty. Such harsh measures are no solution. We have had anti-terrorism courts since 1997. As you said, the rangers have been in Karachi since 1989. Has law and order improved? It has not.

On the other hand, excesses by the security forces have increased. Last year, we recorded about 360 cases of extrajudicial killings (we call them extrajudicial killings; the police call them encounter killings). Some days later, however, the Karachi police chief said his force had killed 800 people in encounters. Earlier, the police always disputed our figures for extrajudicial killings, accusing us of inflating the numbers. Now the police figure is higher than our figure. There was denial before, and there is not just acceptance, but pride in such killings now.

Then there is the issue of lack of transparency. We hear from government sources and the rangers that thousands of people have been picked up. Who has been picked up? If some people have been released, why were they released? These are big questions. Similarly, there are no details available about the six people sentenced to death by the military courts. They may have carried out acts of terrorism, but there has to be transparency in their trial.

– Anis Hamdani,White Star
– Anis Hamdani,White Star

Khan. What is to be done? Is there any prescription that can cure us?

Zohra Yusuf. The question of finding a cure goes back to the same issue: we are very impatient. If one medicine does not work, we rush to experiment with another, even if it is harmful. The situation is bad and it may get worse but we need to be patient with civilian institutions even if they are faulty. And we need to strengthen these institutions. The police need to be strengthened. They need to be reformed. The judiciary needs protection because judgements are given in an environment of fear.

Khan. Do you think things will improve with the introduction of military in the civilian sphere?

Jameel Yusuf. The situation has already improved. A drop [in the crime rate] has taken place. We are breaking the backbone of the Taliban. I also don’t understand on what basis people argue that hangings should not take place. We have reached this situation because we had placed a moratorium on death sentences in the first place. The terrorists killed 35,000 of our people, but we don’t want them to be hanged?

The government tells us the European Union (EU) will halt aid and stop trading with us. The irony is that the EU continues to trade with Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates even when these countries carry out death sentences on a regular basis. There is a Supreme Court judgement from 1992 which states that the President of Pakistan does not have the power to pardon a murderer. In light of that judgement, presidential pardon for prisoners on death row is illegal. So should be the moratorium on carrying out death sentences.

Khan. Are you suggesting that the situation will improve with hangings?

Jameel Yusuf. Until there is punishment, the problem will persist.

Ahmed. There are two ways of approaching the issue: an idealist way and a pragmatist standpoint. What Jameel Yusuf is saying is to take a pragmatic approach and not a theoretical one. From the pragmatic point of view, we need to analyse which institution is better for which purpose. For example, if someone says to me that the army’s athletes perform best in all national games, I will assume that the chief of the sports board should be a general. There is a track record in front of you to gauge from. In the same way, we see the military hospitals run better than other government hospitals. It should then mean that health ministry be given to the army. In the 1990s someone had a great idea for resolving the problem of power theft and low recovery of electricity bills by delegating these jobs to the army as well. The bill collection increased and power theft decreased. That will be a powerful argument to transfer the energy sector to the army.

When, however, it comes to the war against terror, the army has been fighting it since 2001 — mostly without success. The Baloch insurgency has been going on for 50 years and the army has been trying to tackle it all this time unsuccessfully. Whether it is the Frontier Corps, the paramilitary forces or the army directly, they have been unsuccessful in putting an end to that insurgency. With reference to the defence of our borders, our geographical area is two-thirds of what it used to be [before 1971]. When it comes to external and internal defences, therefore, the army has not been successful. Keeping idealism aside, even pragmatically it makes no sense to hand these functions to the army.

We have always looked for a quick fix. We could not solve the problem of terrorism in the 1990s so we introduced the Anti-Terrorism Act. The idea was that terrorism will miraculously disappear with the act, but that has not happened. We will have to bring police reforms and introduce witness protection. If you read the Supreme Court judgement in the Mehram Ali case, it mentions the need for all of this. Our police keep lamenting about not having the permission to track cell phone calls. Until recently, they did not have the equipment for that. Yet we expect performance from them.

As an office-bearer of the Karachi Bar Association, I keep meeting judges who deal with sensitive cases and are getting threats. An army man, surrounded by an army unit, holding trial in some military area and living in a garrison will definitely have all the wherewithal to issue quick verdicts and award strong punishments which another judge travelling long distances from his home to the courtroom in a small unguarded car does not have.

Until we strengthen civilian institutions, how can we expect results from them? Policing and judicial duties are not the army’s jobs and when the army is forced to do things which are beyond its scope, then its primary function suffers.

Guest. Why are the rangers still present at Karachi University? As a student, I have witnessed what they mainly do: moral policing.

Jameel Yusuf. They should not be there. If they were brought in 26 years ago, they should have caught all the people involved in violence who, in turn, should have been tried and sentenced by now. The Sindh government is notifying an extension in their stay every year.

Khan. Don’t you think the rangers, too, have developed an interest in staying in Karachi?

Jameel Yusuf. Why would they? The government is paying for their stay and can discontinue it if they want. But that can happen only if the police are strengthened, which is not happening because the status quo is suiting the politicians. We need to make the police a crack force to combat crime. The joke is that we went into the war against terrorism without a national counter-terrorism authority. Has civil society asked the government as to why this has been the case? Do you think an area police station head will be able to combat terrorism? Please understand that this is a task to be done by a specialised force.

Guest. Under Ziaul Haq’s martial law, there was no recruitment to the Karachi police for a good nine years. The rumour is that the army did not allow any police enlistment between 1977 and 1985. How do you respond to that?

Jameel Yusuf. What do you mean by not allowing enlistment? There were at least 1,000 blank appointment letters delivered to a political party’s office [during Ziaul Haq’s martial law]. People recruited through those letters then provided intelligence to the party about the workings of law enforcement agencies rather than doing policing duties. Do you know how deputy superintendents of police were selected recently? Not one candidate passed the exam, but they all got selected. What quality force will you get from such recruitment and selection?

Guest. If a person is picked up by the rangers and then tortured to make a confession, how can he prove that he was made to confess under duress?

Ahmed. That is one of the major reasons why rights groups demand that the policing functions be carried out by the police. The police know that they can be tried in court and lose their uniforms if they inflict torture on the accused to extract a confession. Apart from the Sarfaraz Shah murder case a couple of years ago, there is no scrutiny or accountability for the rangers. The military courts have a similar problem of accountability. No one, not even the families of the convicts, know the reasoning behind their sentencing. What was the crime? To what extent was it proven or disproven? When you are sentencing someone to death, the facts have to be known by the public and the judicial process has to be followed. I, for one, am not prepared to take the word of some general or colonel that the sentencing happened after the crime was solidly proven. Jameel Yusuf is right when he says that politicians are involved in rising crime in Karachi. At the same time, however, we should not forget that agencies affiliated with armed forces have been responsible for breeding terror groups. And this is not a secret. In such a scenario, investing blind faith in military courts is foolish.

Guest. In an ideal system, what are the checks and balances on a military to ensure transparency and accountability?

Ahmed: In the United States, military cannot try any American civilians. There were two cases after 9/11 and, in both, a judge ruled that the American citizens were entitled to due process of law, regardless of what the military did to non-Americans. Our courts don’t have that kind of power to make armed forces accountable.


Comments (46) Closed



excalibur Jun 26, 2015 01:27pm

Armchair diatribe by self appointed know alls is useless as a solution to existential problems.

Democracy and civilian rule is never there in the real sense. To allow corrupt parliament illegally enforced upon the nation by fraud and deceit has no moral or legal justification

Arslan Jun 26, 2015 01:29pm

What's going on with Dawn? What's with these negative weekly articles on Military where everything wrong in Pakistan is pinned ultimately on the Pak Army!

Perhaps you should write as much if not more on how bad Pak media houses are in destroying the culture and messing up people's minds.

Shakil Jun 26, 2015 01:57pm

Simple solution: empower and train Police to do their job properly! Courts should start delivering judgements without so much delay, freely and in just manner!

Remove politics and pressure from both of the above, you will have a low crime society.

Zak Jun 26, 2015 01:59pm

Why Not ? Sorry cannot read this lengthy article whatever it says , facts don't change.

M.Malik Jun 26, 2015 02:06pm

Yes. Because no other institution in the country is capable of that.

Army is the only effective and efficient institution in Pakistan. And people of Pakistan respect and support the Army.

rehan Jun 26, 2015 02:26pm

The Military Courts are here because the Judiciary has failed to measure up. Do not blame the Army for your own incompetency. Provide speedy , fair and transparent justice and there would be no need for Military Courts.

Khwaja Jun 26, 2015 03:11pm

@Zak Let the Army get rid of every crime. For example corruption in Education, not only by usurping funds for fake projects but, by making the children to get through without any brain burden. Sorry to say, even the Army persons followed the same path of getting their loved ones get best grades. Will the Army really clean this? Had they truly done in the past? Is this their prim job?

Khwaja Jun 26, 2015 03:15pm

@Zak BTW this attitude of not reading the article fully suggests you are from the Armed Forces. Finding only quick solutions without bothering to measure the results in advance.

Pragmatic Jun 26, 2015 03:27pm

Grass is always green from afar. You will see the weeds only when you step on it.

If military is as good as people in here seem to think, we lived more than half our self rule years under military dictatorship. Why hasn't Pakistan become a prosperous society? Don't tell me the so called corrupt politicians ate it all quickly. That would imply our prosperity levels fluctuated which is not true.

Adnanshah Jun 26, 2015 03:42pm

Should you be asking a question like this when you know that they are our last hope. The saw call democracy is very unsuccessful i can feel were pakistan is going with these political party leaders and yet you ask a question. I have Question is a political party paying dawn news to write like these articles ?

ARIF KHAN Jun 26, 2015 03:43pm

We all know that speedy Justice and honest Investigation of Police are the keys which we lost in Hay stack therefore no one has a right to talk about "non-sense topics" like this, now let the Para Military Forces do the good work because incapable Police, corrupt Politicians,ignorant Public and funded biased thinkers can never do anything about Karachi problems.

ghumman Jun 26, 2015 03:54pm

You are so naive or you have an Agenda. you don't see that police is personal tool of extortion for politicians & criminals. you don't see justice is not provided in courts. People spend years and generations going back and forth from courts but only thing they get is schedule for next hearing date and than you ask questions why Military is poking in civilian matters.....

Zeeshan Jun 26, 2015 04:07pm

@Khwaja I am from Army family and I read this article. There is nothing special in this article, just some self nominated 'so-called-analysts' are propagating that Army is pressing the civilian govt. and over-running all matters of the country.

Which is absolutely incorrect, Establishment is shared by Judiciary, Media, Government and Army... So why these so called, your civilian analysts do not talk about the role of other 3 MEDIA, Govt and Judiciary!!!? Just tell me... And by the way... CIVILIANS do not study as much as Army people do.... Even after becoming officers they keep on learning newer and newer war tactics and courses.

El Cid Jun 26, 2015 04:08pm

"Should the military fight crime and dispense justice?"

Military's mission is to defend the country from an external enemy. The military is not constituted to fight crime or dispense justice. The Constitution ensures that the appropriate tool be used to fit the work objective. To manipulate the Constitution do otherwise...well the result is before us all, to see.

El Cid Jun 26, 2015 04:14pm

@Arslan:"What's with these negative weekly articles on Military where everything wrong in Pakistan is pinned ultimately on the Pak Army! "

What's with DAWN is that it is beginning to take its journalistic responsibilities seriously, at least on occasion. It should do so more often. The guilty should not be made sacred cows...however much sacred or intimidating they may be.

Good work by Dawn. Much more of this denouement is required. The people must know, must be shown that the emperor has no clothes.

El Cid Jun 26, 2015 04:19pm

@Zak:"Sorry cannot read this lengthy article whatever it says , facts don't change."

Lack of focus, limited attention span are often a symptom of brain damage, possibly low IQ. Best that you stick with Bollywood.

Jay Patel Jun 26, 2015 04:19pm

Civilized society give equal chance to both accused and defense parties. Only civilian court under Supreme court could bring justice to people.

Khwaja Jun 26, 2015 04:44pm

@Zeeshan I did not mean to hurt the Army but fact is a fact. They only read few good buzzing words and nothing else, after all they are supposed to be physically active and a bit of witty. They are not supposed to be the scientists and engineers who research and make nukes and its carriers and communictions. Example. Lockheed Martin is not run by the US armed forces but as a commercial and viable business. We must change our selves. I have been with those people too and can not describe the personal grudge here.

Peace 555 Jun 26, 2015 04:53pm

We need justice, no legalities.

homie Jun 26, 2015 05:08pm

a big NO........boots should be at work where they are supposed to be.....simple and loud.

Syed Ahmed, Canada Jun 26, 2015 05:41pm

@Arslan: Your views are just and right.

saleem Jun 26, 2015 05:45pm

First of all. You need to go to the root cause of why army have to take this task. Pakistan justice from lower courts to supreme court are corrupt or incapable of providing justice. It might hurt some but that is a sad reality. This is NOT Pakistan created by Qaid-e-Azam. Today Pakistan reminds me of dark ages before the events of are holy Prophet (PBUH).

khurram Jun 26, 2015 05:59pm

i do not trust on these human rights organization....these are totally foreign funded agencies...due to in-ability of Police and judicial System , Pakistan Army came in to action and established military courts for quick trial of terrorists and criminals......rangers are doing very well in restablishing the rit of government and peace in all areas of Karachi.......Well done Rangers and dont listen these human rights organization

Javaid Bashir Jun 26, 2015 06:51pm

The 21st Amendment and military Act amendments must be struck down and declared null and void. Reform and revamp the existing Judicial System to make it viable and suited for the needs of 21st Century. Mind this a big no to 21st amendment and military courts.

rashid Jun 26, 2015 06:56pm

IN April 15 , in Karachi, the people shown sitting on ground and wearing winter Jackets? Dawn clearly seems to be the part of problem.

Khan Jun 26, 2015 06:57pm

Good article by dawn

John Jun 26, 2015 07:01pm

We are happy with the Rangers actions and we appreciate it. The city of lights resembled more like a jungle and the rangers action was the need of the hour! Wasn't the author bothered when innocent people were killed by thugs and mafias?? Now when the city is returning to norm, the author has developed some problem.

Asif Jun 26, 2015 07:41pm

When the civilian institutions are so incompetent and indecisive and when the judiciary is unable to impart swift, fair justice to the victims (the previous CJP even released many criminals incl. Lal Masjid miscreants without trial) then you are left with no option but to seek help of the military. In an ideal world it should be the provincial administration and police but we all know that our police is so politicised, corrupt and incompetent. Thanks to rangers peace is slowly returning to Karachi. Rogue politicians are both feeling embarrassed and feeling the heat, so what. someone has to clean up the mess created by them.

Asif Jun 26, 2015 07:41pm

Our civilian administrations are so lazy and incompetent that army is having to do everything....literally speaking!

flood relief: call army earth quake: call army Thar: call army Trial of suspected terrorists: military courts (as civilian judiciary is just so slow, indecisive and incompetent) Karachi criminals: call army heat stroke: call army Army to look after IDPs Army to build FATA Army to run rehabilitation centers for tribesmen Army to ensure free and fair elections Army to ensure electoral rigging investigation Army to respond to threats from India Army to face international agendas Army to provide security for CPEC Army to push politicians to follow the NAP and so on

I. Khan Canada Jun 26, 2015 07:53pm

Picture of people lined up facing wall is insulting and humiliating for every civilized Pakistani.

pakiguy Jun 26, 2015 08:08pm

The courts and police are useless entities. They are corrupt and incompetent. They should be abolished immediately and let the forces clean up the mess.

AMAR Jun 26, 2015 08:14pm

I have been doing study of the country for a very long time, it has come to my understanding that the civilian government cannot take care of the country. The politicians do not know what real democracy means, they have been collecting their "bhata", from all kinds of sectors, either by hook or crook, if they have to kill innocent people, they will do. The only best solution to bring country back to normal, and take care of "All Kinds of Problems" is by having a "Military Government" who needs to stay in uniform all the time, they should not change to civilian government. Yes, they can get the elections done, but they should be controlling everything, I mean everything to get rid of all the problems country has been facing, since her independence. No civilian government can be trusted to one single person. You can vouch, go back since 1947. God Bless Pakistan.

Keti Zilgish Jun 26, 2015 08:16pm

Lets face the fact that war as the human species has known it is now obsolete. The military might as well be doing something rather than nothing because it is going to be paid anyway. Pakistanis better make up their minds fast: get rid of either the expense on the government or the military unlike what any other country has done and earn the admiration and respect of the whole world OR remain mired in indecision forever.

Ahmed Jun 26, 2015 08:33pm

@Pragmatic I am tired of your democracy song as well. When your democracy loving politicians loot the country wealth, when policing is corrupt to core, when your administration does not run without bribes and when no one pays any attention to judicial rulings, please tell me what is the solution. I am all ears.

Pragmatist Jun 26, 2015 08:42pm

Military is the only solution to govern Pakistan and provide protection to its citizens.

MSAlvi Jun 26, 2015 08:51pm

As every thing is failing in the civilian government, it is being handed over to the army, one by one. Whenever there is some natural disaster (earthquake, floods, etc.), army is called in. It clearly shows that Pakistan is not ready for democracy yet.

There are some pre-requisites for democracy. Education and know-how of the public is most important. People must know what the issues and solutions are, and who is qualified to solve the problems. Until that happens, perhaps martial law is better.

We must not be carried away by the word 'democracy'. Democracy is not the best form of government, but there is no alternative. Even some kingdoms are working better than Pakistan's democracy.

Syed Iikram Abidi Jun 26, 2015 09:38pm

Ideally, it should not. However, the situation here is certainly not idea. Where corruption prevails, terrorists openly and during court openly threaten the presiding judges and their families, law enforcing bodies are unable to deliver, then this represents an extra ordinary problem where extra ordinary solutions are needed. What, however, remains to be seen if the military will spare its own institution or will do it once and for all.

B R Chawla Jun 26, 2015 10:04pm

There is no substitute a democratically elected government and dispensation of justice that is transparent and is not dispotic a tendency that can not. Escape martial attitude

K Maliks Jun 26, 2015 10:58pm

with the events that surround pakistan both domestically and at the international front, such measures are necessary when the justice system repeatedly fails to deliver and you have a police that's heavily politicized nearing incompetency. most importantly we need to amend existing laws to make new forms of evidence admissible in a court of law to aid prosecutors and move away from the stone aged witness only acceptance. pakistan needs to enforce strict cyber laws and further restrictions outside the norms perhaps something like the american patriot act.

Masood Haider Jun 26, 2015 11:36pm

Difficult times call for difficult decisions. When the very existence of the country was being threatened under the assault of terrorism, the civilian courts relied on technicalities to let bonafide terrorists go scot free. May be the half approach is not adequate. The city of Karachi should be turned over to the military and the culprits tried by military courts. Too much is stake to worry about niceties which are not applicable to people who by their action have forfeited the right to be called humans.

Asif Jun 27, 2015 02:27am

The present political leadership will be conveniently replaced by their children. This is true of most parties (read family limited companies). So how is that going to change anything!

I am not saying army is the answer but unless elected MNAs and MPAs get their act together and do what they are actually elected for rather than indulging in corrupt practices and nepotism, we will keep having military interference in civilian matters. If not Gen Raheel Sharif it could be the next COAS after him..

Masood Haider Jun 27, 2015 02:36am

The mistake made by both Ayub and Musharraf was that they wanted to give military rule a veneer of respectability by resorting to the ridiculous referendums and trying to appear democratic. It was this quest for legitimacy and desire to hang on to power that lead Musharraf, personally an enlightened and liberal individual untainted by corruption and strongly patriotic, to get in bed with the MMA which caused the rise of TTP first in Swat and then in other parts of the country. We need another army takeover by a sincere patriot like general Raheel, who should simply declare that he will rule unencumbered by any attempt at legitimacy for as long as needed to set the country on a right course. The supreme court and other institutions stay suspended during this time. Of course, there will be a great hue and cry internationally but if terrorism and corruption can be weeded out, Pakistan could well be self-sufficient and won't need to rely on foreign aid.

Mahin Sumalani Jun 27, 2015 02:56am

Let us cut it straight, why do we trust the Army? it is because there is check and balance, less favoritism whereas the prov. governments lack all this, instead of writing SAY NO TO CORRUPTION in ads won't make a difference, what makes a difference is transparency and fairness in all aspects, either elections, recruitment, hiring, posting/transfers etc. Whenever going through a crisis, all we come up is with setting up a committee, or the CM's take notice etc but with no results. If army has to deal with all our mess, i suggest the judiciary (with huge wages), the administration (police) etc their functions should all be stopped and we might save some money for the betterment of Pakistan.

Keti Zilgish Jun 27, 2015 03:49am

This head-in-the-sand attitude that a lot of people in this world have towards the armed forces will only make it easier for us to one day wake up to the realization that such forces do not comprise angels but rather are just as fallible as the non-armed forces both of which are desperately crying out for urgent changes in our out outlook.

M. Saeed Awan Jun 27, 2015 06:05am

Not at all. They should give complete power/warning to Democratic Govt. If it fails then...........

Khan-USA Jun 27, 2015 12:12pm

The million dollar question is if this is the job of the military ? And if it is their job then why military that has ruled for 55 years of our 68 years of our history has failed again and again.