French ambassador to Pakistan Martine Dorance, Khawaja Asif and staff members at the French Embassy in Islamabad | AFP
Khan. Wapda seems to have been left in a lurch since the 1990s. They don’t produce thermal power anymore and don’t have enough money to generate sufficient hydropower. What role will this institution be playing going forward?
Asif. We are investing heavily in hydel energy now and Wapda is at the forefront in all these projects. They are building the reservoir at Diamer-Bhasha, they are involved in Mohmand Dam, in Neelum-Jhelum and most other projects that are being built along the Indus. I think with the completion of projects like Ghazi-Barotha, and now Neelum-Jhelum and extensions of Tarbela, they will generate a fair bit of finances to keep themselves afloat. Then they will be able to support additional hydel projects with their own money.
Maybe they can get involved in private-public partnerships, since there are many investors in Pakistan now willing to work in this industry, or they could team up with foreign investors. With the initiative that the Chinese have taken in Pakistan, many international players from Korea, the Gulf and Europe are also now interested in investing here.
Khan. The energy mix of Pakistan has inverted in the past few decades from an approximately 70:30 ratio in favour of hydropower to thermal power, to a 30:70 ratio. Which way do you see our energy mix going in the future?
Asif. We have shifted a lot of our focus towards hydel, because it is a renewable source that will not drain our foreign exchange reserves. Most of these projects are already underway, like the 1,000MW Sukki Kinari project, which is a part of CPEC and has achieved a financial close. The 2,600MW Tarbela IV and V extensions should be online by next year. Then there is Gulpur, Karot, Kohala, Patrind, Golen Gol, and so on. Some of these projects are in the planning stage and others are under construction, but they will add enough electricity to the grid to re-balance our energy mix.
We have also taken a policy decision to only set up coal plants in the future that are based on local sources. Other than the ones that are already in the pipeline which will be completed in this year or the next, those coming up after the next three or four years have all been shifted to local coal.
Khan. What role do you see alternative renewable energy sources playing in the future?
Asif. We already have a significant amount of electricity being added to the grid through renewable sources. 880MW is coming from our wind plants in Jhimpir; bagasse is contributing about 255MW; solar will be giving 600MW in the next few months. But I want to point out that these are not enough to cover our base load, which is our priority right now. Even hydel power is not sufficient by itself because it is a seasonal source which drastically drops in the winter, but we still prefer it because it provides electricity when we need it most in the summer.
Once our base load is ensured through thermal and hydel, we can massively go into other renewables. Due to evolving technology, the efficiency of these alternative sources is increasing and their cost is decreasing day by day. We want to take advantage of this. If we make all our investment into this sector at a time like this, we won’t benefit as much and will be stuck with a high tariff for the next 20 years. For example, the solar we have installed a few years ago is now available for half the price.
Khan. Critics still point out projects like Neelum-Jhelum and the huge expense in time and money that has gone into them without any return. How do you respond to this?
Asif. I think Neelum-Jhelum is quite hyped up and not understood well enough. The dam had a completely different design before the 2005 earthquake hit and a completely different one afterwards. The project cost may have gone up from 80 billion rupees to 500 billion rupees, but you have also had to build 70 or 80 kilometres of tunnels which can facilitate trucks and tunnel boring machines.
These machines have not only lined the tunnels with concrete, but with steel so it can withstand earthquakes. The water will be passing through those tunnels 3 or 4 kilometres under the mountains, and actually under another river, before it is discharged. It is an engineering marvel. There are people that say this won’t remain feasible, but I can assure you that it will.