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When those inducted in 1973 – and later – came to positions of authority, they were already allied to one political group or the other. Earlier, I never saw the whole secretariat change with a change of government but when Benazir Bhutto came to power, civil servants who had worked under Nawaz Sharif in Punjab became persona non grata for the federal government. When Nawaz Sharif came into power, he brought in his own cronies from Punjab to the federal government.
Q. Has this sort of structural break in the civil service continued since then?
A. No. Like Ghulam Ishaq Khan, Shehbaz Sharif has brought the best among the lot to occupy key institutional positions. He has formed these public limited companies that are paying their officers 15 times more than what the secretaries of the government get, but he has told the employees of the companies to perform; otherwise he will kick them out. He is judging their performance through tangible indicators. The delivery of public goods and services, at least, has improved under him.
Q. Is it sustainable?
A. Yes, if there is leadership. If, after the 2018 election, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa gets the same government it has now, I would say its system is more sustainable than the one in Punjab. This is because Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is making institutional changes in such services as police, healthcare, education, land revenue records. Changes led by information technology that are introducing transparency will be sustainable in Punjab. All the ghost teachers and schools have already disappeared in the province.
Yet it is very much an individual-led system that I do not think should be the case. I do not know whether it will continue the same way [once Shehbaz Sharif is no longer ruling Punjab] but I will give you one example. After Shehbaz Sharif went away in exile in 2000, Chaudhry Parvez Elahi became chief minister in 2002. He always asked people as to how he could do better than his predecessor. If somebody like that comes in to rule Punjab, the system will be sustainable.
But if there is somebody who comes in and indulges in waste, corruption and patronage, as is the case in Sindh, the system will completely disappear. By the way, the federal government under Nawaz Sharif is a patronage-based, personal loyalty-driven administration. It is not driven by performance as the one under Shehbaz Sharif.
Q. You have extensively argued in the book that foreign aid was not the real cause of high growth spurts in the economy. There, however, is not much discussion on the impact of geopolitics and Pakistan’s policies in that realm on the country’s sociopolitical and economic trajectory, especially in the last 40 years.
A. I have devoted a whole chapter to the role of external actors, particularly the United States and the International Monetary Fund, in influencing the choices we have made as a nation since independence. My main conclusion is that with two economic giants – China and India – as our neighbours, we used our strategic location wrongly for geopolitical purposes and that brought us a lot of pain, grief and infamy. We have always supported militants and that has damaged our image. We have used our strategic location but not for economic advantage. For sustained and higher economic growth and job creation, your relations with your neighbours should be positively inclined rather than being the source of difficulties and problems.
We could have used our location for economic advantage by becoming a trade, transport and transit corridor linking South Asia with Central Asia and China (East-West Corridor) and linking China and Central Asia with the Arabian sea (North-South Corridor or the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor). We could also have developed stronger economic ties with Iran.
For all this to happen, we have to normalise trade with India sooner rather than later and grant it Non-Discriminatory Market Access and activate the agreement of the South Asian Free Trade Area. We missed two such opportunities in 2012 and 2014 when we were close to a formal announcement on both counts. Despite very tense relations between the two countries, efforts should be intensified to make this happen. This would help improve the unfortunate perception about Pakistan in the world community. If China and India can have bilateral trade of 80 billion dollars in spite of their political differences, why can’t we strive to achieve the potential 20 billion dollar trade target between India and Pakistan?
If Pakistan can rectify its relations with India and the United States, those with Afghanistan and Iran will automatically fall in place, since they are derivatives of our policy postures towards Washington and New Delhi. If we allow India to send its goods to Afghanistan and Central Asia, what are we going to lose with this?
I have often heard about foreign policy that the security establishment is driving it but I have also heard from [former foreign minister] Hina Rabbani Khar that if you present facts and are willing to face the consequences of your decisions, people do listen to you. But if you do not do anything yourself and only say, “Let them do what they are doing,” then that is a problem. We should have a mechanism whereby everybody provides input and nobody passes the buck to the next person.
Q. You are favourably disposed towards the 18th Constitutional Amendment, the 7th National Finance Commission (NFC) Award and the Benazir Income Support Programme (BISP). Some individuals and institutions find these initiatives problematic. Do you see these being rolled back? And if so, what will be the impact of the rollback?
A. I believe the 18th Constitutional Amendment and the 7th NFC Award cannot be rolled back notwithstanding many attempts to the contrary. I, however, argue in the book that the devolution process is incomplete because powers, authority and financial resources have not been shared with local governments. It is at this level that the interaction between an ordinary citizen and the government takes place in ensuring access to basic needs — education, healthcare, water supply, sanitation, roads, etc. Unless the communities are empowered to take decisions which are in their interest, to realise the spirit of the 18th Constitutional Amendment and the NFC award would remain elusive. I have also proposed a more integrated and harmonised budget-making process spearheaded by a constitutional body — the National Economic Council.
As an independent director of the BISP board both under the PPP and Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz governments, I feel that there is now broad bipartisan support for social safety nets for the poor. This is a powerful vote-attracting programme for all the political parties as more than five million families derive benefit from the cash grants made under it.
Q. Chief of Army Staff Qamar Javed Bajwa is reported to be unhappy with the 18th Amendment, the NFC award and BISP.
A. He was misinformed and he has corrected his views since. He asked me about them when my book was launched at [the army’s] General Headquarters [in Rawalpindi] and I told him BISP is the only good step taken for the poor. I told him that it constitutes just 0.3-0.4 per cent of our GDP but helps millions of families achieve sustenance.