Anzorena gives an acceptance speech after receiving the Ramon Magsaysay Award in 1994 | rmaf.org.ph
Ezdi. The Marxist movement was very strong in Latin America at the time. Were you influenced by it?
Anzorena. There were a lot of movements in Mexico and Argentina. For example, there was a housing movement in Mexico, [under which] Enrique Ortiz organised thousands of people to put pressure on the government for housing. There was this man who created a movement in 40 out of 60 provinces in Mexico [for the passage of] a law to prohibit privatisation and to give control of local resources to local communities.
Ezdi. How did you decide to study architecture?
Anzorena. I was in the technical school for three years and had to choose between mechanical engineering, construction and chemical engineering [for further studies]. All these were related with machinery, but I chose architecture because I felt it was more [connected to] people. Then I specialised in earthquake resistant buildings.
Ezdi. What made you join the Jesuits?
Anzorena. I saw a lot of very happy, dedicated young men and women preparing themselves to serve the people — they were all Jesuits. Since I liked working with people, helping the young, I felt [joining them could provide me that opportunity].
‘Kings live in palaces, pigs live in piggeries and youth live on expectations’. When you are young you feel you are the centre of the universe. But then I began to change, to reflect. Jesuit education is very much based in learning philosophy.
Ezdi. What kind of philosophy was that?
Anzorena. It was scholastic philosophy that began in Greek city states. It is a study of the system of being.
As a Jesuit student, I had this very interesting teacher who would say ‘take a problem and look it up in literature’. For example, how would Shakespeare write about solitude? This was something that personally helped me tremendously. There were many things I did not understand in myself.
In my [current] trip to Lahore, I had a meeting with someone who works in sanitation. He has had an accident and got paralysed, but he continues to work. And then there is the lawyer from Multan who is helping people who are poor and need legal services, free of charge. Just by looking at these people, you find the colour of life and it [reflects] inside you. You get inspired. The question of ‘where do you find life’ keeps me going.
Ezdi. Why did you decide to go to Japan and then stay there?
Anzorena. I was very happy in Argentina at the time, living with my family, with [people who spoke] my language. But I was also feeling a little adventurous. Every year, I would ask the Jesuit mission if I could go abroad, but they would tell me to wait.
It is always very exciting to come to Pakistan because there is a lotof energy here.
I taught at a high school for two years after I finished my literature studies and then studied philosophy. Then they sent me abroad. I was 30 years old. I did not know much English [but I] had to go to a different place, to [meet] different people. So [the mission] gave me one month to learn English in America.
In Japan, I went to Tokyo University and studied theology.
Ezdi. You mostly support self-help initiatives around the world. What is it that makes a community want to help itself? What is the turning point?
Anzorena. Many things. Firstly, it makes people feel alive. A woman in Thailand told me how her world became “wider” [by being part of a self-help initiative]. Another example is of Quratulain, a lady who is very good at dealing with girls. She began to develop schools, teaching and training [others to teach].
Ezdi. You first came to Pakistan in 1978 and have been coming here every few years since then. What keeps bringing you back?
Anzorena. It is always very exciting to come to Pakistan because there is a lot of energy here. There are a lot of good people here. If you catch some of their ‘goodness’, you get excited.
I visited a women’s training centre in Hyderabad. They were being trained in stitching. Normally, there is one person speaking for a group, but here, there were 30 talking out of a group of 200 trainees. They were so enthusiastic; everybody wanted to add something to the conversation. I have never seen so much enthusiasm. They don’t get much money, but they see that there has been a difference in their lives [because of the training centre].
Ezdi. How did your relationship with the OPP begin?
Anzorena. I met the architect Yasmeen Lari once or twice before 1980. She was planning a project in Karachi’s Lines Area, behind the cathedral. She told me about the OPP and Akhtar Hameed Khan.
[I believe] everybody has goodness inside them; everybody has certaincolours — sometimes of life, sometimes of death, sometimes of fear.
Ezdi. What struck you the most about Akhtar Hameed Khan and his work?
Anzorena. He had a vision about the relationship between the professionals and the people. He would say that people do not accept the professional [advice], and he would suggest changing that into an alternative which satisfied the people. This is what he did in Comilla [now in Bangladesh].
Khan was a civil servant at the time he [worked in Comilla], but he would get to the people’s level [to understand their problems]. If he had a plan, he first wanted to see if people accepted it or not. In Orangi, he spent many months going to the people, sitting with them, having tea with them at tea shops, having a dialogue, trying to understand their problems.
Ezdi. Having spent decades working for social welfare, do you feel that the world today is a more unjust place today than it was in the past?
Anzorena. What do you do if you feel the world is unjust? My mission is to get as much life and goodness from different people as I can. I feel alive [that way]. But if I begin to find the sins and bad things in others, I will see my life and my hope diminishing. And that is not healthy.
The Jesuits say: ‘it is not that things will get better; they will get worse. But what is your reaction?’ My role is not to improve the world. It is just little things: to give hope and support. If I do that, even if very little of it, that is enough for me. I have not been able to change the world or the big picture, but I have been able to help [in my own way].
Ezdi. Does mankind have a common purpose?
Anzorena. People have their traditions and ways. [I believe] everybody has goodness inside them; everybody has certain colours — sometimes of life, sometimes of death, sometimes of fear.
For example, there is a journalist [in Karachi] who has cancer. She knows she has a few months to live. She said, ‘What should I do?’ I asked, ‘Where have you been most happy working?’ It was in Gilgit. So it was now time to do something, which gives her life. People could be much happier this way.
The writer is an Associate Professor in the Department of Architecture, National College of Arts, Lahore.